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Fabien Hyon now managing director of 1855 group


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 Château Pichon Longueville: just one example of en primeurs not delivered by 1855

'(Boursier.com) -- 1855 annonce aujourd'hui la nomination de Fabien Hyon comme directeur général du groupe, en charge des opérations, et à ce titre responsable du développement des trois marques du groupe (1855, ChateauOnline et Cave Privée) et des fonctions supports (administratif et finance, systèmes d'informations et ressources humaines).

"Le conseil d'administration est convaincu que Fabien est l'homme de la situation pour animer la marche opérationnelle du groupe " déclare Emeric Sauty de Chalon, Président directeur général. " Son parcours et ses résultats chez 1855 depuis sept années sont remarquables".'

'Son parcours et ses résultats chez 1855 depuis sept années sont remarquables.
Indiscutable, cher Emeric! Voir: ici et ici.

RVF: October 2011 bench mark test: 1855 – the worst internet wine retailer


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According RVF (La Revue du Vin de France) 1855 is actually their worst internet wine retailer site

But that isn’t the impression the cover nor the introduction gives:

‘Achats en ligne
Les sites les plus fiables (the most reliable)
Nos meilleurs plans’




‘RVF : Banc d’Essai

Acheter son vin en un clic: Nos Meilleurs Plans sur Internet’

Notre palmarès des meilleurs adresses de la Toile

Turnover: 2010 (in euro)

1. Idealwine 8 million
2. Wine and Co 10 million
3. Savour Club 3 million from site (out of 30 million)
4 Nicolas n/a
5. Chateauonline n/a
6. 1855 7.6 million

Anyone wondering how on earth 1855 as well as chateauonline (now part of 1855 group) came to be included amongst the RVF’s prize winners should read the text by Audrey Dubourdieu carefully for the results are actually far from what they appear at first glance.

‘Seuls les sites capables de générer un traffic minimum de 50,000 visiteurs uniques par mois en moyenne ont été retenus pour notre enquête (sourtce Nielsen 2011). En lice: ChateauOnline, iDealwine, Le Savour Club, Nicolas, Wine and Co et 1855.’

So only six internet retailers judged and six awarded prizes.

I wonder why RVF didn’t just award prizes to the top three or four. 1855 has only this year taken over ChateauOnline, so it is still too early to tell whether it will fail to deliver a significant proportion of the wines, especially any en primeurs, their clients order. Fabien Hyon is the new director of ChateauOnline so the signs are not good as his record at 1855 speaks for itself.

RVF’s comments on 1855 understandably demonstrate a certain queasiness at including them.

‘.. la livraison manqué de riguer’ – a masterful understatement

‘Mais la livraison est moins fiable pour les bouteilles qui ne sont en stock (99%) du total). ‘

‘Saturé, le service Clients est réservé aux gros acheteurs, choyés, tandis que certaines internautes lambada, jamais livrés, réclament leur dû (lire La RVF n˚554, septembre 2011).'

‘Emeric Sauty de Chalon, P-D.G de 1855, reste tributaire de son actionnaire Jean-Pierre Meyers.'





The full-page ad for Caveprivée (bought by the 1855 group last year) on page 34 may provide a clue to the inclusion of 1855 in the list of RVF’s prize-winners.

The ad for Caveprivée enjoys a prominent place in the article


It would easy to dismiss this article as superficial, fluffy, lacking rigour and a cheap space filler if the possible consequences of readers seriously believing that RVF is actually recommending 1855 as one of their prize winning sites weren’t so grave.

Sadly it is all too likely that some of RVF’s readers will be fooled into joining the apparently ever-lengthening list of exasperated clients of 1855 who wait years for their wines to be delivered and who often have to resort to the courts to see their bottles.


See also here (la Passion du Vin), here (le Blog du Grand Jury) and even on the forum of the Revue du Vin de France.

Shamefully poor sloppy and irresponsible journalism RVF!



1855 (1855.com): why does RVF recommend 1855? + Paul's story of legal action prising wine out of 1855


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Château Branaire-Ducru, Saint Julien

Fine post here: 'Le declassement of 1855' by Nicolas Rouyn.

A couple of extracts:

'la RVF (edition d'octobre) nous sélectionne deux sites du « groupe » 1855, mieux connu pour ses nombreux manquements aux règles les plus élémentaires du commerce. Deux sites sur six retenus… Pourquoi une telle complaisance ?'


Hitherto I thought RVF (Revue des Vins de France) was a serious magazine. After all it has previously exposed 1855's malpractices, so why does it now recommend two websites from the 1855 group: chateauonline and 1855.con itself? 
Surely RVF haven't been
seduced by advertising bought by 1855 and presumably paid for using its clients' money rather than buying the wines they ordered?  



'On dirait qu’il est en train de constituer un dossier le plus complet possible avant de tenter de mettre un terme aux agissements de ces aigrefins, étrangement appuyés par le gendre de Liliane Bettencourt, M. Meyers qui renfloue régulièrement les caisses de 1855, ce tonneau des Danaïdes.' 

I can't imagine why Jean-Pierre Meyers continues to provide a lifeline to 1855.com If he would like to tell me, I would be happy to post any comment or explanation he wishes to give.

http://bonvivantetplus.blogspot.com/2011/10/le-declassement-de-1855.html

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Also lessons Paul, an ex-client of 1855, draws from prising wines out of 1855 through legal action:


'Voilà, après une mise en demeure début juillet (apiement de la TVA vers le 20 juin), la saisine du juge de proximité 15 jours plus tard, l’obtention d’une ordonnance d’injonction de faire et plusieurs dizaines de mails, j’ai reçu ce matin la seconde moitié de mes primeurs 2008 (la première il y a un mois).

Que retenir de cette « aventure » avec 1855 : 

1) D’abord la certitude que les vins ont été vendus à découvert et qu’ils doivent donc les trouver aujourd’hui pour pouvoir livrer les clients (avec, pour ces derniers, aucune garantie quant à l’origine des bouteilles…). Et j’ai la conviction que la « méthode » n’a pas changé car comment expliquer autrement les opérations – 20 % sur les primeurs 2010 ? 

2) Ensuite, la nécessité de réagir immédiatement (mise en demeure puis directement chez le juge de proximité) et de maintenir, même si c’est usant, une pression constante. Certes, l’obtention d’une ordonnance d’injonction de faire n’est pas un gage absolu de livraison. Cependant, cela permet déjà de voir son dossier traité de façon un peu différente par 18**. En effet, dès le lendemain de l’ordonnance du juge, j’ai reçu un mail de M. Hyon et à partir de là, les nombreux échanges (souvent tendus…) de mails ont pu se faire directement avec lui. Or, seul M. Hyon a apparemment le pouvoir de faire avancer les choses. Les autres interlocuteurs, qui sont en fait plutôt à plaindre, ne sont là que pour enregistrer des commandes et n’ont aucune maîtrise des achats et livraisons. Avec cependant une exception : l’assistante de M. Hyon, Katiuscia Rafanomezantsoa. « Profitant » de l’absence de ce dernier, c’est elle qui a pris mon dossier un main et une semaine plus tard je recevais le solde de la commande (avec un ultime faux pas : les vins devaient être livrés hier, matinée perdue). Il est vrai que l’audience devant le juge de proximité étant fixée au 6 octobre, cela a aussi peut-être permis d’activer un peu les choses. Voici son adresse mail : krafa@1855.com 

3) Enfin, à défaut de livraison, il faut absolument, lors de l’audience devant le juge, demander une condamnation sous astreinte et ne pas hésiter à demander une astreinte élevée (X euros par bouteille et par jour de retard). Et pour justifier, il faut avancer le caractère volontaire de l’inexécution par 18** de ses obligations (les juristes parlent de faute dolosive ou de dol dans l’exécution du contrat ; article 1150 du code civil) : tous les primeurs 2008 sont disponibles sur le marché. Il suffit donc à 18** de les acheter et de livrer ses clients. Sauf que, bien évidemment, les prix ne sont plus les mêmes qu’en 2009. Donc 18** n’achète pas, pour ne pas perdre d’argent, en espérant peut-être une baisse des prix dans quelques mois ou années (ou alors que les primeurs 2010 se vendent mieux, cf les opérations – 20 %, car c’est l’argent récolté sur ces derniers qui doit permettre d’acheter les 2008). Or l’astreinte a justement pour objet de vaincre la résistance du débiteur en le frappant au portefeuille. Donc plus elle sera élevée, plus la pression sera forte (on peut l’espérer), outre le fait que l’astreinte étant une peine privée, elle tombe dans la poche du créancier, après liquidation par le juge, et peut se cumuler avec des dommages-intérêts…. Donc il ne faut pas hésiter. 

L’aventure ne se termine donc pas trop mal (surtout que j’avais bénéficié d’une remise de 15 % comme nouveau client), mais c’est bien évidemment une aventure sans lendemain…. 

Bon courage à ceux qui attendent des 2008, et encore plus à ceux qui attendent des millésimes antérieurs.

Paul

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1855 is a probationary member of Le FEVAD!

1855 (1855.com): now primeurs back to 2001 not delivered


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Château Ponet-Canet


Yesterday I received the following message from RT, a client of 1855. RT ordered Bordeaux en primeur from 1855 from the 2001, 2005, 2006 and 2007 vintages. Perhaps rather incautiously he asked 1855 to keep these wines until 2011. Sadly RT is still waiting for his wine.

Of course, if 1855 was a serious and properly run company, such a request would be entirely normal but not for a company run by a bunch of cowboys. In the case of 1855 and its appalling record, you have to wonder whether Messieurs Emeric Sauty de Chalon and Fabien Hyon haven't simply trousered RT's money.
Message from RT:
'Voici la liste des primeurs non livres par 1855, je leur avais demande de les garder jusqu'en 2011 ce qui explique pourquoi j'ai commence a agir cette année. La valeur de commande est d'environ 7200 euros et la valeur actuelle estimée a plus de 15,000 euros (certains vins comme les Forts de Latour sont très difficiles a trouver)

Bordeaux Primeurs 2001 : commande September 2002

- 24 bouteilles de Château Pape Clément

- 12 bouteilles de Château Montrose

- 24 bouteilles de Les Forts de Latour


Bordeaux Primeurs 2005 : commandes September 2006, May 2007 and February 2008

- 12 bouteilles de Château Marjosse

- 3 bouteilles de Château Pape Clément

- 18 bouteilles de Château Smith Haut Lafite


Bordeaux Primeurs 2006 : commandes May 2007 and May 2008


- 24 bouteilles de Château Chasse Spleen

- 2 magnums de Château Smith Haut Lafite

- 12 bouteilles de Château Smith Haut Lafite

- 12 bouteilles de Château Gazin

- 2 bouteilles de Château L'Evangile


Bordeaux Primeurs 2007 : commande (May 08)

- 12 bouteilles de Château Pontet Canet

J'ai écrit et rencontré 1855 sans succès, contacté tous les châteaux des commandes ci-dessus, contacté l'UGCB mais qui ne semble pas compétente pour agir et enfin la DGCCRF la semaine dernière.

J'irai en justice si besoin.

En espérant que l'accumulation des plaintes permettra d'obtenir a tous la livraison de leur commandes.

Cordialement


RT'

Château Pape-Clément

1855 (1855.com/1855.con): as losses mount injections of capital keeps leaky company afloat


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Beached boat – a fate awaiting 1855?

A brief article in the latest edition of La Revue des Vins de France on the 2010 accounts of 1855 makes fascinating and revealing reading. The accounts make dismal reading for Messieurs Émeric Sauty de Chalon and Fabien Hyon as well as their shareholders. 1855's turnover is on the slide: down nearly 24% in 2010 compared to the previous year: 7,620,722€ (2010) against 9,996,144€ (2009). If this wasn't bad enough turnover has dropped by 33% since 2008 (11,358,845€) and is now lower than it was in 2006 (8,633,856€).

Losses have mounted rising from – 73,963€ (2009) to 780,107€ in 2010. However, this does compare favourably with losses of 1.7m (2006), 8m (2007) and 3.9m (2008). Of course, given 1855's record in failing to buy significant quantities of the wines their customers have paid for it is reasonable to wonder how realistic the relatively small loss was in 2009.

Doubtless 1855 will offer the continuing economic crisis as an excuse for the marked fall in turnover and increasing losses but it may also be an indication that 1855's terrible reputation – '1855.com worst wine retailer on the web' – is finally damaging their business.

During the course of 2010 there were a number injections of capital totalling 11.2m€. This fresh capital helped 1855 buy two wine e-commerce companies: Cave Privée in November 2010 followed by ChâteauOnline in February. I presume also that some of this capital helped to keep 1855 afloat and one has to wonder what would happen if the shareholders, among them Jean-Pierre Meyers, decided that they had poured enough money into the 1855 vat.

I have to admit to being staggered by 1855's losses: they trouser a considerable quantity of their customers' cash and don't supply the wines ordered. Surely a recipe for fat profits! To make a loss in these circumstances surely requires rare financial genius and acumen.

1855 (1855.com, 1855.con): Château Grand Puy Lacoste


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Rather gloomy photos of Château Grand Puy Lacoste (Pauillac) not as gloomy as RP's prospects of receiving is wine from 1855 anytime soon

RP, an increasingly frustrated 1855 client, ordered two cases of 2007 Château Grand Puy Lacoste en primeur. These wines should have been delivered at least nine months ago as RP paid the additional tax and delivery charges on 21st December 2010. He is still awaiting for his wine. 


Screen capture taken on 12th September from 1855's site (http://ventesprivees.1855.com/vp198/crazy-bordeaux/2011-09-01/)


Detail of the 81 bottles of 2007 offered


12.9.11: 1855 offering 81 bottles of Château Grand Puy Lacoste for sale when they have been unable to deliver 24 bottles to RP, who should have received his wine nine months ago.

Screen capture: 12.9.11 – 
http://ventesprivees.1855.com/vp198/crazy-bordeaux/2011-09-01/10134774/chateau-grand-puy-lacoste-2007/


RP is particularly incensed that 1855 currently has 2007 Grand Puy Lacoste for sale under a Crazy Bordeaux vente privée offer.


Fed up with being fobbed off with the customary lame excuses for their failure to deliver, RP contacted Château Grand Puy Lacoste and the Union des Grands Crus de Bordeaux some two months ago. Although rather disappointingly he has yet apparently to receive a response from the Union des Grands Crus de Bordeaux, he has recently received a sympathetic response from the owner of Grand Puy Lacoste. RP has asked me not to publish this response. However, it is clear that the owner is concerned at the damage that 1855's unethical trading (fraudulent trading?) is doing to the image of the Bordeaux Grand Crus and that he would be happy to see the miscreants hauled up before the courts.         

Below is some of RP's correspondence:  

From: RP
Sent: 09 September 2011 08:54
To: 'dfxb@domainesfxborie.com' (Grand Puy Lacoste),  'ugc@ugcb.net' (
Union des Grands Crus de Bordeaux)
Subject: FW: Continued delay in delivery from 1855.com - Château Grand Puy Lacoste 2007
Importance: High

Dear Sirs,
About two months ago I contacted you regarding delivery problems with 1855 – unfortunately I did not get any reply from you and – as one could expect – I still have not received my 2 cases of Château Grand Puy Lacoste 2007.

It is particularly shocking that 1855 is currently conducting a “vente privee” under the name “Crazy Bordeaux” in which they are selling this wine and still have not shipped it to me. They started with 174 bottles and as of this morning they have 76 bottles left. Please see communication to 1855 management and customer services staff (to which no reply has been received)

I once again ask you for assistance in this matter
Kind Regards,

RP

From: RP
Sent: 02 September 2011 07:59
To: 'e.sauty@1855.com'; 'T.Maincent@1855.com'; 'f.hyon@1855.com'; 'contact@1855.com'; Matthieu Ortalda (matthieu@1855.com); 'nathanael@1855.com'
Cc: 'dfxb@domainesfxborie.com'; 'ugc@ugcb.net'
Subject: RE: Continued delay in delivery from 1855.com - Château Grand Puy Lacoste 2007
Importance: High

Dear Sirs,
As part of your current “Crazy Bordeaux Campaign” you are selling and indicate to have in stock 174 bottles of Château Grand Puy Lacoste 2007  (see attached pdf)

As you are well aware of, I am still waiting for my 24 bottles and I find it totally unacceptable that you are selling items that you have not yet delivered to me.

As a client who has paid for this, I would think it is illegal not to deliver what I have ordered claiming that you do not have it in stock

Can you please arrange for immediate delivery of my 24 bottles (in 2 original wooden cases) and inform me when I will receive them

RP


From: RP
Sent: 13 July 2011 10:43
To: 'e.sauty@1855.com'; 'T.Maincent@1855.com'; 'f.hyon@1855.com'; 'contact@1855.com'
Cc: 'dfxb@domainesfxborie.com'; 'ugc@ugcb.net'
Subject: Continued delay in delivery from 1855.com - Château Grand Puy Lacoste 2007
Importance: High

Dear Sirs,
On July 1st 2011 I emailed you expressing my disappointment that 1855 – once again – had broken its promise. Two weeks have passed and you still have not replied to me.

I ordered (and paid) the wines on 21 Dec 2010 and taxes and delivery charges were paid on 10 Jan 2011 for 24 bottles (two OWC  of 12 x 0.75) of Château Grand Puy Lacoste 2007.

More than six months later, nothing has happened… Every month you send me the same message you replace the month of delivery (please see the history of your messages below).  

Given your continued failure to keep your promises and the fact that my messages and questions (the usual Why? When?) keep on being ignored, you have forced me to inform both the UGCB and the Château itself.

We have reached the point where I expect someone to call me (mobile below) and explain me why this has happened, give me a firm date of delivery but also give me comfort on my 2008 and 2009 purchases!

Kind Regards,
RP


Your message on 3 June 2011:
Dear Customer,
Thank you for your message.We wish to inform you that your application is in the hands of the head department and it does well among the priorities to be addressed.
Recent arrivals from Bordeaux Futures references will be spread through mid June and deliveries will lead to the end of June.
We present again our apologies for these delays delayed but rest assured that this issue will find a positive outcome.
Shipments to claim VAT will be by wave throughout the month of June not to repeat the problems of delay that we experienced in the past.
This means that once you receive this request for VAT, the wines will be sent within 10 days.
Sincerely,XX, Chargée de Relation Client Senior


Your message on 5 May 2011:
Dear Customer,
Thank you for your message. We wish to inform you that your application is in the hands of the head department and it does well among the priorities to be addressed.
Recent arrivals from Bordeaux Futures references will be spread through mid May and deliveries will lead to the end of May
We present again our apologies for these delays delayed but rest assured that this issue will find a positive outcome.
We remain at your disposal for any further information.
Sincerely,XX, Chargée de Relation Client Senior



Your message on 28 February 2011
Dear sir,
We do not have it in stock at the very moment. We are having supplying delays and are making up for them at the moment. We will let you know soon when the wines are available. We sincerely apologise for the delays.
We remain at your disposal.

Best regards, XX, Chargé de Relation Client

1855: Le Parisien plus what justification is there for 1855 remaining in Le FEVAD?


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Château Pichon-Longueville

Interesting article in Thursday’s LeParisien comparing Wine and Co with 1855.

The journalist, Marc Hervez, mentions that he keeps getting letters from 1855 customers complaining that they haven’t received their 2006 en primeurs and that 1855 carries no stock. I’m surprised he doesn’t also get letters of complaint about over other undelivered vintages.

Hervez also makes it clear that 1855 owes its continued existence to frequent injections of capital from Jean-Pierre Meyers. Meyers was described as ‘a discret banker’ in an article in La Depeché (http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2010/12/06/964908-Jean-Pierre-Meyers-un-discret-banquier-au-coeur-du-systeme-Bettencourt.html) in December 2010. Quite why he continues to prop up 1855 with its appalling reputation is a complete mystery.

A few extracts from Le Parisien:

1855 et Wine and Co : le match des grands vins:

1855
« Si 1855 existe toujours, c’est d’abord parce que l’entreprise se base sur un modèle parfaitement marqueté. Le groupe dépense un argent fou en communication, en organisant par exemple des soirées dégustation avec 2 000 personnes dans des salles magnifiques.’

‘Ce qui les fait tenir ? 1855 s’appuie sur un actionnaire très puissant, qui n’est autre que le mari (Jean-Pierre Meyers) de la fille de Liliane Bettencourt. Il a injecté à plusieurs reprises des capitaux supplémentaires pour empêcher l’entreprise de couler. Tant qu’il mettra de l’argent, 1855 fonctionnera… »’

Leurs points faibles

1855
« Il y a une énorme différence entre ce qui est annoncé et la réalité. Le chiffre de 25,000 références que le site prétend proposer peut facilement se diviser par 100. Car 1855 ne possède aucun stock. Je ne compte plus le nombre de courriers que j’ai reçus de la part de clients qui attendent encore qu’on leur livre leurs primeurs 2006. Les chèques, en revanche, ont bien été encaissés.


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Saturday’s question for Emeric Sauty de Chalon and Fabien Hyon
At the end of January 2011 1855 were admitted as a member of Le FEVAD (La Fédération du e-commerce et de la vente à distance) on a year’s probation.

Assuming that Le FEVAD (founded in 1957 : http://www.fevad.com/la-fevad) is a serious organization, despite having let 1855 become members in the first place, then they will surely decide to end 1855’s membership because of the company’s appalling record.

So Emeric Sauty de Chalon and Fabien Hyon what can you say to convince Le FEVAD that 1855 deserves a second chance and that your probationary year should be extended into 2012? 

1855 (1855.com): Jim's Loire offers new service (cont) – Château Léoville Las Cas(St Julien)


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 Gateway to Clos Léoville Las Cas


En primeurs ordered from 1855 and known to be outstanding


15 bottles of 2005
4 bottles of 2007
3 magnums of 2007

Entrance to Léoville-Las-Cas


Emeric Sauty de Chalon and Fabien Hyon are the senior 'management' team of 1855 (1855.com, 1855.con). Thierry Maincent was an administrateur and one of the directeur général délégués until he resigned his posts for personal reasons on 30th September 2010. Businessman Jean-Pierre Meyers, who is on the boards of L'Oreal and Nestlé, is a long-term shareholder of 1855.

See explanatory post here.


Tomorrow's question for Emeric Sauty de Chalon and Fabien Hyon will be based on their membership of Le FEVAD. 

1855 (1855.com): Jim's Loire offers new service (cont) – Château Léoville-Poyferré (St Julien)


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Château Léoville-Poyferré

En primeurs ordered from 1855 and known to be outstanding

24 bottles of 2005
1 bottle of 2007



Emeric Sauty de Chalon and Fabien Hyon are the senior 'management' team of 1855 (1855.com, 1855.con). Thierry Maincent was an administrateur and one of the directeur général délégués until he resigned his posts for personal reasons on 30th September 2010. Businessman Jean-Pierre Meyers, who is on the boards of L'Oreal and Nestlé, is a long-term shareholder of 1855.

See explanatory post here.

Today's questions for Emeric Sauty de Chalon and Fabien Hyon


1855 offers Bordeaux en primeur. However, it is clear both from the delays in delivery and from the failure to deliver some clients' en primeur that at least a proportion of these wines are purchased by 1855 after the wines have been bottled. Unlike a true en primeur the provenance of these wines is uncertain.

a) What proportion of the Bordeaux en primeur orders received by 1855 are bought after the wine has been bottled and released by the châteaux?

b) Would it be fair to characterise this business practice as 'fraudulent'? 

Unfortunately I have yet to receive a response to the questions I asked on Wednesday (31st August). Here is the link in case you missed them.         
  
  

1855 (1855.com): Jim's Loire offers new service (cont) – Château Gruaud-Larose (St Julien)


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Château Gruaud-Larose: vineyards and chai

En primeurs ordered from 1855 and known to be outstanding

 204 bottles of 2005

 12 bottles of 2007
 

Emeric Sauty de Chalon and Fabien Hyon are the senior 'management' team of 1855 (1855.com, 1855.con). Thierry Maincent was an administrateur and one of the directeur général délégués until he resigned his posts for personal reasons on 30th September 2010. Businessman Jean-Pierre Meyers, who is on the boards of L'Oreal and Nestlé, is a long-term shareholder of 1855.




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Astonishing recent post from the discussion forum La Passion du Vin's 1855 'retard des primeurs' thread that now runs to 101 pages:



'Bonjour,

Je suis nouveau sur ce forum et je n'ai pas lu tous les posts concernant les retards primeurs 1855. Voici ma situation: j'ai commandé des primeurs 2007 pour lesquels j'aurais du être livré en juin 2010. Je n'ai évidemment rien reçu, et, jusque janvier 2011, j'ai téléphoné et envoyé des mails sans résultat. J'ai donc fait une "injonction de faire" au tribunal de proximité. Je suis passé au tribunal en mars (le jour où je suis passé, sur 50 affaires, il y en avait au moins 30 qui concernait 1855...). Le jugement a été rendu en avril. Comme indiqué par le jugement, j'ai fait appel à un huissier qui a notifié 1855 du jugement. Depuis, plus rien.

Ma commande s'élève à environ 600 euros, donc j'hésite à faire appel à un avocat, car j'imagine que ça va me coûter le double, sans garantie de résultat vu le peu que j'ai pu lire sur le forum...est-ce que quelqu'un pourrait me conseiller?
Merci d'avance,
Nico'



'Je suis passé au tribunal en mars (le jour où je suis passé, sur 50 affaires, il y en avait au moins 30 qui concernait 1855...).'
 

Emeric Sauty de Chalon and Fabien Hyon you are invited to comment – 'au moins 30 qui concernait 1855...'

Also two questions for you today:
How many bottles of Bordeaux en primeur from vintages between 2000 and 2007 remain to be delivered to your clients?
How many judical complaints have been brought against 1855 by your long suffering clients? 100? 250? 500? 1000? 

I look forward to hearing from you.



1855 (1855.com): Jim's Loire offers new service (cont) – Château Latour (Pauillac)


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Château Latour: general view from gated entrance

La Tour lui-même

En primeurs ordered from 1855 and known to be outstanding

 6 bottles of 2005

 6 bottles of 2007

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Les Forts de Latour

6 bottles of 2003
 
12 bottles of 2004

12 bottles of 2005

12 bottles of 2006


Emeric Sauty de Chalon and Fabien Hyon are the senior 'management' team of 1855 (1855.com, 1855.con). Thierry Maincent was an administrateur and one of the directeur général délégués until he resigned his posts for personal reasons on 30th September 2010. Businessman Jean-Pierre Meyers, who is on the boards of L'Oreal and Nestlé, is a long-term shareholder of 1855.

See explanatory post here.

Post on outstanding en primeur deliveries (408 bottles) for Château Lagrange updated to include Les Fiefs de Lagrange here.

Detail from the gates@Latour – will these grapes ripen before 1855 delivers all of its customers' en primeurs?


1855 (1855.com): Jim's Loire offers new service (cont) – Château Saint-Pierre (St Julien)


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 Château Saint-Pierre, Saint-Julien

En primeurs ordered from 1855 and known to be outstanding
 

 2 bottles of 2005


24 bottles of 2006


24 bottles of 2007



Emeric Sauty de Chalon and Fabien Hyon are the senior 'management' team of 1855 (1855.com, 1855.con). Thierry Maincent was an administrateur and one of the directeur général délégués until he resigned his posts for personal reasons on 30th September 2010. Businessman Jean-Pierre Meyers, who is on the boards of L'Oreal and Nestlé, is a long-term shareholder of 1855.





Château Sociando–Mallet slams 1855.com's business practices


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Grapes in the Médoc August 2008

Château Sociando-Mallet (Haut-Médoc) has refused to have any dealings with 1855 (1855.com) since the 2007 vintage. Furthermore they deplore the company's business practices and their lack of professionalism. 

In response to a letter from an aggrieved 1855 client (NP), who is awaiting delivery of his 2008 en primeur, Pascale Roby, the château's commercial and administrative representative pulls no punches:    

'Cher Monsieur,

Nous avons cessé toute collaboration directe avec la société1855 depuis le millésime 2007 en raison des divers problèmes de livraison signalés par les acheteurs de nos vins. Cette société continue à proposer du Sociando-Mallet en primeur chaque année car elle doit trouver un approvisionnement sur la place de Bordeaux. Nous déplorons le manque de professionnalisme de la société 1855 qui, bien que finissant toujours je crois par livrer les vins dus, ne respecte pas ses engagements envers ses clients en terme de délai. 

Nous vous remercions en, tout cas de 
nous tenir informés de la suite qui sera donnée à votre commande.

Avec nos très sincères salutations,

Pascale Roby
Contact commercial et administratif Château Sociando-Mallet
33180 Saint Seurin de Cadourne
Tel : 05 56 73 38 80; Fax : 05 56 73 38 88
www.sociandomallet.com'

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En primeurs ordered from 1855 and known to be outstanding

12 bottles of 2005

24 bottles of 2006

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Emeric Sauty de Chalon and Fabien Hyon are the senior 'management' team of 1855 (1855.com, 1855.con). Thierry Maincent was an administrateur and one of the directeur général délégués until he resigned his posts for personal reasons on 30th September 2010. Businessman Jean-Pierre Meyers, who is on the boards of L'Oreal and Nestlé, is a long-term shareholder of 1855.



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